Gollar: In 1986, after being in Europe for more than three decades and in Switzerland for almost a decade, we ﬁnally obtained Swiss passports. I organized the entire procedure, of course. Sasson didn’t want to apply for a Swiss passport because it involves a lot of examinations and interviews, which he didn’t feel like going through. Then I told him: “You know what? From now on every visa you need, you do it yourself.” One visit to a consulate convinced him, and we got the Swiss passports.